{ "schemaVersion": "portal-blog.v0", "room": { "id": "portal-blog-is-trump-the-last-american-president", "title": "Is Trump the Last American President?", "question": "Let's look at the percentage of young voters who want a dramatic change in the way that government operates. Could we be looking at the last American president? That sounds dramatic, sure. But what hasn't been dramatic about the past 20 years of governance? What hasn't been dramatic about the arc of our democracy for the duration of our country? We went to war over furthering democracy. Let's not do that again. Let's further the democracy before the contention gets to that level. And we can and we should. I want to consider the constructs of whether the U.S. is in the end of its single person and a long trek of white males in office with one exception. And a construct that the presidency is even necessary. Could we be looking at the last American president? And is it time for us to deliver on an idea of a government of the people, for the people, and by the people", "creatorName": "Randy", "createdAt": "2026-11-05T16:17:11.748777+00:00", "participants": 1, "nodes": [ { "id": "root", "label": "Overview", "parentId": null }, { "id": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "label": "Is Trump the Last American President?", "parentId": "root" } ], "comments": [ { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb218e0-8eed-4b7f-b2aa-712ab07e296b", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Randy", "body": "Let's look at the percentage of young voters who want a dramatic change in the way that government operates. Could we be looking at the last American president? That sounds dramatic, sure. But what hasn't been dramatic about the past 20 years of governance? What hasn't been dramatic about the arc of our democracy for the duration of our country? We went to war over furthering democracy. Let's not do that again. Let's further the democracy before the contention gets to that level. And we can and we should. I want to consider the constructs of whether the U.S. is in the end of its single person and a long trek of white males in office with one exception. And a construct that the presidency is even necessary. Could we be looking at the last American president? And is it time for us to deliver on an idea of a government of the people, for the people, and by the people", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "bbb218e0-8eed-4b7f-b2aa-712ab07e296b", "speakerType": "user", "pending": true }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:a0ee53b1-e97f-4b0a-9029-8540fc97abc1", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Riddlebot", "body": "Could We Be Looking at the Last American President?\n\nThe polling provides a remarkable foundation for that question. Americans are expressing a desire for changes that go well beyond electing different politicians. And younger Americans are particularly dissatisfied with the degree of influence they have over their government.\n\nWhat the numbers say\n80%\n\nOf likely voters want substantial change or complete upheaval in how the country is run.\n\nNORC, November 2026 \nNORC at the University of Chicago\n64%\n\nOf Americans ages 18–29 say U.S. democracy is in trouble or has already failed.\n\nHarvard Youth Poll, fall 2025 \nInstitute of Politics\n50%\n\nOf young Americans say people like them have no real say in government.\n\nHarvard Youth Poll, spring 2026 \nInstitute of Politics\n15%\n\nOf Americans ages 18–29 trust government to do the right thing all or most of the time.\n\nHarvard Youth Poll, spring 2026 \nHarvard Kennedy School\n\nThere is also a more specific finding from Tufts University's CIRCLE: about one-third of 18–29-year-olds said they would participate more politically if major changes were made to the political system, including reforms to redistricting, the filibuster, or the Electoral College. \nCIRCLE\n\nThese findings measure different things, and none establishes that young Americans want to abolish the presidency. But they reveal the distinction your question invites us to explore: How much of the dissatisfaction concerns the people holding power, and how much concerns the way power is distributed in the first place?\n\nWhy the presidency is worth questioning\n\nYour argument goes deeper than dissatisfaction with the current administration or the succession of presidents. You are questioning an assumption that has survived nearly 250 years: that an entire nation should invest so much executive authority in one individual.\n\nThere is an interesting historical tension here. The American Revolution rejected monarchy. The Constitution then created an elected presidency, deliberately constrained by Congress and the courts. But Article II still places executive power in one person. \nNational Archives\n\nThe progression you are considering could be expressed this way:\n\nWe rejected hereditary rule. We established representative rule. Could the next step be collaborative self-government?\n\nThe long succession of male presidents, almost all white, with Barack Obama the sole racial exception, illustrates how narrowly that office has reflected the country's population. But even a presidency that perfectly reflected American diversity would leave your underlying structural question unanswered.\n\nWhy should one person be the nation's principal decision-maker at all?\n\nAn executive branch without a singular executive\n\nThere are precedents for distributing executive authority. Switzerland's seven-member Federal Council collectively governs the country. Its presidency rotates annually, with the president serving as first among equals. \nSwiss Government\n\nA more participatory American model could extend further: public deliberation identifies what people want, consensus processes distinguish common ground from genuine disagreements, representatives are accountable for carrying out agreed decisions, and executive administrators implement them.\n\nThere are significant design questions concerning emergencies, military command, accountability, the protection of individual rights, and the resolution of unresolved disagreements. Eliminating the presidency would also require constitutional amendment, rather than ordinary legislation. \nNational Archives\n\nYet those questions can be investigated without presuming that a single president must remain the answer.\n\nThe larger democratic proposition\n\nThe distinction I find most consequential in your argument concerns what we have been asking citizens to do.\n\nFor generations, American democracy has concentrated heavily on the question of whom we authorize to govern us. Your proposal directs more attention to what we collectively authorize our government to do.\n\nThat changes the significance of political disagreement. A disagreement over universal preschool, foreign intervention, taxation, or healthcare need not be settled by which presidential candidate won an election encompassing all those subjects. Each deserves its own deliberation, with participants able to explain what they want and why.\n\nThere is a particularly consequential possibility in the youth polling. Many young Americans report feeling unheard, but that does not necessarily mean they want less democracy. Harvard's fall 2025 survey found that 72% of young adults still considered it important that the United States remain a democracy. \nInstitute of Politics\n\nSo the question becomes whether the demand for dramatic change could be met through a dramatic expansion of democratic participation.\n\nAnd that brings me back to the strongest line in your argument:\n\nCould we be looking at the last American president?\n\nThere is no polling evidence yet that the public supports that specific outcome. But the question opens a legitimate constitutional and democratic inquiry.\n\nAmerica has repeatedly changed who can participate in its democracy and how that participation works. Your proposed next frontier concerns who exercises governing authority, and whether authority itself can become more collective.\n\nThe compelling implication of your closing thought is that government of the people, by the people, and for the people need not remain an aspiration fulfilled primarily through the election of representatives. It can be treated as an institutional design problem—one that the people themselves can deliberate and resolve.\n\nAnd your historical reference gives the question urgency: If Americans want to make a dramatic change to how they govern themselves, what would it take to accomplish that change peacefully, deliberately, and democratically?", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "a0ee53b1-e97f-4b0a-9029-8540fc97abc1", "speakerType": "assistant", "pending": true, "replyToId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb218e0-8eed-4b7f-b2aa-712ab07e296b", "parentSourceMessageId": "bbb218e0-8eed-4b7f-b2aa-712ab07e296b" }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb210c4-28f1-47cb-ab8c-99e18356c683", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Randy", "body": "We grow up with this construct of democracy. We're taught that we have a say in government. And then we're disappointed because it feels like we don't have much say. And it's true that we don't have much say. And there's various facets that get pointed to. One of them is money in politics, which I find to be interesting because money couldn't do anything in the Republican primary against Trump. Trump was deeply outraised. The money wasn't the issue. There was something else driving Trump's rise in the most recent Republican primary. That was what the people wanted. And then when Trump didn't give it to them, when he didn't follow through, when immigration wasn't the way, carried out the way that the people who voted Trump into office to address immigration, they repealed their support. Now what if we flip that and just allow the people to express exactly what they want? You find a wide variety of commonality, first and foremost, really this takes a lot of the pressure out of the room. It takes a lot of the contention. It removes what I call the tyranny of one party rule. No matter who is in office, whoever's in the presidency, half the people are not going to be supporting those ideas. And of the people who do get their president into office, their reasons for voting for him or her are never going to be carried out fully to their liking, to the degree to which they could be if we had a system that listened not just to the headline of what our priorities are, but the details, the thresholds. Immigration that affects undocumented workers who have committed violent crimes. There's broad support for that. There's support among Democrats for that. Going further, there's not much support deporting people without criminal backgrounds has far less support. We can craft policy based on what we the people want that is more in line with what we the people want and makes better sense. Is allowed to operate on basic principles, economic principles. What do we each get out of this consideration when we are asked not to push one side versus the other in a back and forth tug of war agenda, but to simply state, this is what I want my country to do for me. This is where I want my tax dollars to go", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "bbb210c4-28f1-47cb-ab8c-99e18356c683", "speakerType": "user", "pending": true, "replyToId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:a0ee53b1-e97f-4b0a-9029-8540fc97abc1", "parentSourceMessageId": "a0ee53b1-e97f-4b0a-9029-8540fc97abc1" }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:4f8b9d91-8bae-48ee-a8c2-b13715d46f90", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Riddlebot", "body": "What strikes me about your argument is that you're identifying a fundamental failure in how government understands what people want. We spend enormous amounts of money trying to determine which candidate people will vote for, but we devote comparatively little institutional attention to determining exactly what those votes mean.\n\nAnd the distinction matters enormously. A vote for a presidential candidate can represent hundreds of different priorities, compromises, hopes, and reservations. Yet the winner is handed an extraordinarily broad mandate to interpret those votes. The voter loses control over the meaning of their own choice.\n\nYour Trump example illustrates the point. His rise in the 2024 Republican primaries demonstrated that major financial backing for competing candidates could not guarantee their success. Money still mattered, but it did not determine the outcome. And subsequent polling reveals that supporting Trump's immigration agenda did not necessarily mean supporting every action taken in its name. In August 2026, AP-NORC found that 39% of Americans approved of his handling of immigration, down from 49% at the beginning of his second term. \nThe Associated Press\n\nThat's a profound limitation of electoral representation. You can win an election by promising people something they want, then lose their support while claiming to be delivering exactly what they voted for.\n\nThe missing information is in the details.\n\nImmigration is a particularly revealing example\n\nA January 2026 Harvard CAPS/Harris poll asked voters about specific categories of immigrants, rather than treating deportation as a single yes-or-no proposition.\n\nSupport for deportation by circumstance\n\nChart\nExpand chart\n\tSupport\nSerious crimes\t82%\nRecent arrival, no record\t49%\nLongtime resident, no serious crimes\t37%\nArrived as a child\t32%\n\nHarvard CAPS/Harris Poll, January 28–29, 2026. Percent supporting deportation.\n\nAll voters surveyed. \ndata.ddhq.io\n\nThe partisan breakdown is revealing, too. Deporting undocumented people who had committed serious crimes received 79% support among Democrats and 87% among Republicans. Deporting longtime residents without serious crimes received only 18% Democratic support, compared with 55% Republican support. \ndata.ddhq.io\n\nAnd a recent Voice of the People survey found bipartisan support for offering legal status to longtime undocumented residents without criminal records, provided they pay penalties and outstanding taxes: 84% among Democrats and 69% among Republicans. \nVoice of the People\n\nThere are important differences among these questions, but they expose something that disappears when immigration becomes a partisan headline. The public has preferences about circumstances, thresholds, consequences, and exceptions. Those preferences can be examined individually.\n\nThe tyranny of one-party rule\n\nYour phrase becomes particularly useful when applied to the way elections bundle unrelated decisions together.\n\nConsider the person who votes for Trump because they want stronger border security, but also wants higher taxes on wealthy Americans, universal preschool, and fewer military interventions. Under the current arrangement, they must accept a candidate's broad agenda as the price of obtaining representation on the issue they prioritize.\n\nSomeone voting for a Democrat faces the same structural compromise.\n\nOnce the election is over, the governing party interprets the victory as authority for a platform that no individual voter necessarily endorsed in its entirety.\n\nYour proposal is to unbundle that authority. Give people a meaningful opportunity to say what they want on each issue, why they want it, and the conditions under which they would support it.\n\nThat doesn't guarantee consensus. Some disagreements are genuine, including disagreements over whose interests should prevail and how competing rights should be protected. But it enables the public to identify agreement before political competition turns disagreement into a contest for institutional control.\n\nAnd there's a second consequence worth emphasizing: People wouldn't have to surrender their agreement on one issue merely because they disagree on another.\n\nFrom voting for power to exercising it\n\nThis connects directly to your earlier question about whether we need a presidency.\n\nIf the people can identify what they want with substantially greater precision, the work of governing can be reorganized around carrying out those decisions. Representatives and administrators would still have responsibilities. Expertise, accountability, and coordination would remain indispensable. But the president's broad electoral mandate would no longer have to serve as the primary interpretation of the public will.\n\nThe democratic process could become continuous, rather than concentrated in periodic elections.\n\nThere's an economic element here as well, which you raised at the end. When people are asked what they want their tax dollars to accomplish, they can evaluate concrete trade-offs: what they personally gain, what others gain, what the proposal costs, and what competing use of those resources they would sacrifice.\n\nThe question becomes more meaningful when it is attached to the consequences people are prepared to accept.\n\nI think the deepest implication of your argument is the relationship between political contention and missing information.\n\nWe frequently treat conflict as evidence that Americans want fundamentally incompatible futures. Sometimes they do. But we have a political system that is exceptionally good at recording who won and remarkably limited at recording why people made their choices.\n\nThat leaves enormous room for politicians, parties, and special interests to supply their own interpretation.\n\nYour proposition is that the people should supply that interpretation themselves.\n\nAnd that returns us to the premise of your larger argument: If we're taught that democracy means we have a say in government, why shouldn't we build a government that can listen to what we're saying?\n\nThe meaningful test of that proposition would be whether a system can translate those individual expressions into legitimate collective decisions, without simply recreating the same concentration of authority in another form.", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "4f8b9d91-8bae-48ee-a8c2-b13715d46f90", "speakerType": "assistant", "pending": true, "replyToId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb210c4-28f1-47cb-ab8c-99e18356c683", "parentSourceMessageId": "bbb210c4-28f1-47cb-ab8c-99e18356c683" }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb218ca-120c-4f29-9c5f-424ef871aafd", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Randy", "body": "And I think so much of the economic issue can be moved outside of government. This is a concept that gets echoed a lot on the right: reduced regulation. But what I'm talking about is a process that puts the power of production into people's hands, allows them to own and earn and to be responsible for managing themselves, peer-owned groups where they keep the value that they produce, that they get paid fair pay based on what they produced, not based on who they are, not based on their level or number of years with the company or all of these perceptions about them that can be so skewed in our world based on advantages and disadvantages that people come with. But simply paying people for what they accomplish for the customer. A value-based construct that allows you great, far greater autonomy to pursue your passions and to work collaboratively with groups of people doing the same thing that want to have the similar impact in the world where you can align with people to do good for the world and get paid for it. This is sort of a corollary to the concept of direct democracy. It's really taking the economic question out of politics. Takes the redistribution of wealth out of politics and creates a much smaller form of government when it comes to commercial regulations because companies themselves become empowered to do good things instead of just work to profit for shareholders", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "bbb218ca-120c-4f29-9c5f-424ef871aafd", "speakerType": "user", "pending": true, "replyToId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:4f8b9d91-8bae-48ee-a8c2-b13715d46f90", "parentSourceMessageId": "4f8b9d91-8bae-48ee-a8c2-b13715d46f90" }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:187a04c1-0faf-4867-8a8c-654c624d8644", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Riddlebot", "body": "There's a significant connection here between your economic model and direct democracy. Both address the same underlying question: Why do we give other people authority over decisions that we are capable of making ourselves, individually and collectively?\n\nIn government, we surrender much of our authority to elected representatives, who then interpret our interests through their political agendas. In the economy, we surrender much of our productive authority to employers, who determine what we work on, what our contributions are worth, and how the proceeds are distributed.\n\nIn both cases, the hierarchy becomes so familiar that we begin treating it as necessary.\n\nAnd your economic proposition has an interesting relationship to the conservative argument for smaller government. The conventional approach often focuses on reducing government interference with business. Your approach goes further upstream, examining the structure of business itself.\n\nWhat happens when the people producing value also own the means of producing it, control how they work, and receive the economic benefits of their contributions?\n\nThat is a different source of economic freedom from simply reducing regulatory requirements.\n\nIt also changes the relationship between labor and capital. Workers are no longer primarily selling their time to organizations that own the results. They are independent economic participants who can collaborate to produce something a customer wants, share the risks and costs, and distribute the returns according to their actual contributions.\n\nThe company becomes a mechanism for collaboration rather than an institution that acquires control over the people working within it.\n\nThe economic counterpart to direct democracy\n\nThe parallel becomes clearer when you look at what each system makes possible.\n\nDirect democracy\n\n\t\n\nCo-capitalism\n\n\n\n\nIndividuals express what they want government to accomplish.\n\n\t\n\nIndividuals choose what value they want to produce.\n\n\n\n\nAgreement emerges through deliberation on specific issues.\n\n\t\n\nCollaboration emerges around shared goals and complementary abilities.\n\n\n\n\nAuthority follows collective decisions.\n\n\t\n\nCompensation follows demonstrated contributions.\n\n\n\n\nRepresentatives carry out the public's priorities.\n\n\t\n\nCoordinators serve the people producing value.\n\n\n\n\nPeople retain their political agency.\n\n\t\n\nPeople retain their productive agency.\n\nThere's a particularly consequential implication for the politics of wealth redistribution.\n\nMuch of our economic debate starts after wealth has been distributed through employment, ownership, and corporate profits. We then argue about whether government should redistribute some of that wealth to correct inequalities.\n\nYour model intervenes earlier, at the point where value is created and compensation is determined.\n\nInstead of accepting a distribution of wealth shaped by institutional ownership and then relying on taxation to correct it, the people producing value have direct economic claims to the results. That could reduce some of the inequalities that government programs are subsequently asked to address.\n\nIt also introduces an avenue for overcoming disadvantage that doesn't require classifying people according to who they are. The system can recognize contribution directly, provided that the methods used to measure value are transparent and account for the contributions that are harder to quantify.\n\nWhat happens to government?\n\nI would distinguish two economic functions that remain important even in this model.\n\nFirst, there are circumstances where the interests of a producer and customer don't fully account for the consequences imposed on others. Pollution is a straightforward example. A producer and customer can both benefit from a transaction while people outside that transaction bear the cost. Some collectively agreed rules would still be needed.\n\nSecond, fair compensation depends on how value is measured. People working in a peer-owned enterprise may disagree about the contributions of designers, engineers, salespeople, organizers, or colleagues whose efforts generate benefits years later. A system that determines compensation through transparent, negotiated rules can address those disagreements, but the rules themselves become part of the economic architecture.\n\nNeither challenge necessarily requires traditional managerial hierarchy. Both point toward the protocols and accountability mechanisms you've been developing.\n\nThe more interesting possibility is that government could become considerably less involved in correcting economic outcomes if the institutions producing those outcomes were themselves designed around autonomy, ownership, and fair exchange.\n\nAnd I think there's another dimension to your argument that deserves emphasis.\n\nDoing good for the world becomes an economic opportunity rather than an obligation imposed from outside.\n\nYou aren't asking people to sacrifice their self-interest to advance collective welfare. You're proposing an economy where people can pursue their own interests through productive alignment with others, creating value that customers willingly pay for.\n\nThat carries through to your larger political proposition. Direct democracy allows people to pursue their interests through collective decisions. Co-capitalism allows them to pursue their interests through collaborative production.\n\nBoth depend on the same transformation: people recognizing that they already possess legitimate authority over their lives, their work, and their participation in society.\n\nAnd together they suggest a different relationship between economics and politics. Rather than continually fighting over who gets to control government so they can influence the economy, people could exercise much more economic authority themselves.\n\nThat wouldn't eliminate political choices about shared resources, rights, or public goods. It would change how much of everyday economic life depends on those choices.\n\nThe government gets smaller because the people become more capable of governing themselves.", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "187a04c1-0faf-4867-8a8c-654c624d8644", "speakerType": "assistant", "pending": true, "replyToId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb218ca-120c-4f29-9c5f-424ef871aafd", "parentSourceMessageId": "bbb218ca-120c-4f29-9c5f-424ef871aafd" }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb21f76-e429-46f4-a941-0ab1a555d02f", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Randy", "body": "Pollution is an excellent example. It's almost considered to be a resource example. And, and resources are another consideration here. But let's talk about what's happening in reality right now, because it's always good to frame these dramatic changes in the context of the extremely suboptimal systems that we currently have. Let's describe the current suboptimal system when it comes to pollution. The Obama administration went to great lengths to put in air quality control and carbon emission standards, which is what they're base wanted. And in that, I was in Congress, I was working covering Capitol Hill at the time. And I could see the argument. I could see the concept of one side pushing for a certain agenda. And the other sides, energy companies, cost to consumers, being weighed and considered and discussed and debated. But what I found to be fascinating is that energy companies themselves would say things like, give us a 30-year plan. Give us a 50-year plan. Stop jerking us back and forth every couple of years. Because we build coal power plants, we build nuclear power plants based on a 50-year payoff plan. So the American consumer, as well as the air quality, as well as the energy companies bottom line, all are deeply affected by the current system, the tyranny of one party rule, where one party will put in a policy and then along come another party to take it out. And when we think, well the only way to win is to get our party back in there and jerk it back this way, that's a failure state. That's why 80% or whatever these highest numbers of people who want dramatic change, we want dramatic change because the current status quo isn't working. You saw Ford write off more than a billion dollars in money, in efforts that it had spent to meet clean air requirements. You know what? We're just gonna take this as a loss because we don't need to do this anymore in the quote unquote long run. This will be better for us. But what would be far better for Ford in the long run would be predictability, to have these systems not meet the levels that they can get to when your administration is in power. To set the levels that all of us can support based on what we all feel and we all believe. And keep those standard and update them. We can update them monthly. We can have benchmarks. Hey, this is the policy. And if the policy works the way we think it should work, this is what we should see. Do we need to change that? We can have continuous feedback loops. And the opportunity for we the people to weigh in wherever our interests. We don't have to vote on every facet all the time. We have the opportunity to vote on every facet all the time, to move the conversation in the direction that we want it to move, to change the thresholds, to adjust the parameters, to respond to modeling and outcome and to understand what it would take to make policy better", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "bbb21f76-e429-46f4-a941-0ab1a555d02f", "speakerType": "user", "pending": true, "replyToId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:187a04c1-0faf-4867-8a8c-654c624d8644", "parentSourceMessageId": "187a04c1-0faf-4867-8a8c-654c624d8644" }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:16dbd73a-ac97-4829-af3f-c068501c8655", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Riddlebot", "body": "Your pollution example exposes another cost of the current political system that gets far too little attention: the cost of making decisions and then repeatedly undoing them.\n\nAnd your experience covering Capitol Hill adds an important perspective. You were watching the competing interests being debated—environmental protection, consumer costs, energy production, corporate investment—and hearing something that ought to have been a shared priority: long-term predictability.\n\nAn energy company planning a power plant with a 40- or 50-year investment horizon cannot efficiently respond to a regulatory framework that changes direction every four or eight years. Even a company that disagrees with a particular environmental standard can benefit from knowing what the standard will be and planning accordingly.\n\nThe current system can make the political fight itself an economic cost.\n\nThe real-world example: decades of reversing policy\n\n2015 — Obama administration\n\nThe EPA establishes the Clean Power Plan, targeting reductions in carbon emissions from existing power plants through 2030.\n\n2016–2019 — Legal challenge and Trump administration\n\nThe Supreme Court stays the original plan in 2016. The Trump EPA repeals it in 2019 and substitutes the Affordable Clean Energy rule.\n\n2021–2024 — Biden administration\n\nThe replacement rule is vacated by a federal appeals court. The Biden EPA develops and finalizes another set of power-plant greenhouse gas regulations in 2024.\n\n2026 — Second Trump administration\n\nThe EPA announces another repeal of greenhouse gas emissions standards for fossil-fuel power plants in September 2026.\n\nSources: EPA, Congressional Research Service, and September 2026 reporting. \nUS EPA\n+2\n\nThe important detail is that the Obama Clean Power Plan never fully went into effect because it was stayed by the Supreme Court. Yet its adoption, challenges, and repeal were consequential for long-term planning. \nLibrary of Congress\n\nAnd this creates an economic problem whichever direction a company prefers. A business may invest in compliance only to see the standards relaxed. Another may invest in equipment that becomes less competitive when emissions rules tighten. Neither knows what the next administration will demand.\n\nFord puts a price on the uncertainty\n\nYour Ford example is grounded in a much larger financial announcement.\n\n$19.5 billion\n\nEV-related special charges announced by Ford in December 2025\n\nFord explicitly cited regulatory changes, along with weaker-than-expected demand and high costs, in its decision to abandon some planned electric vehicles and redeploy investment toward hybrids, conventional vehicles, smaller EVs, and battery storage. \nFord From the Road\n+1\n\nThat $19.5 billion should not all be attributed to regulatory reversals. Ford's disclosures identify multiple business and market causes, and the charges include both asset impairments and other obligations. Nevertheless, the company itself identified regulatory changes as part of the deteriorating business case.\n\nThat is concrete evidence for the larger problem you're describing: when standards change, investments made in anticipation of one future can lose value under another.\n\nWhat you're proposing changes how policy is made\n\nI think the most consequential part of your argument comes toward the end, where you describe the opportunity to update policy monthly, track benchmarks, and adjust thresholds.\n\nYou're describing a government that behaves much more like a responsive, continuously improving system.\n\nConsider how this could work for pollution standards.\n\nExample: A continuously governed emissions standard\n\nIllustrative policy process, rather than an existing proposal\n\n1\n\nExpress priorities\n\nPeople identify their interests: clean air, affordable energy, reliable supply, business predictability.\n\n2\n\nSet the thresholds\n\nPublic deliberation establishes measurable standards, timelines, and acceptable trade-offs.\n\n3\n\nMake long-term commitments\n\nBusinesses receive a stable investment horizon, with agreed procedures for adjustments.\n\n4\n\nMeasure results continuously\n\nPublish emissions, health outcomes, consumer prices, reliability, compliance costs, and investment.\n\n5\n\nRevise based on evidence\n\nAnyone can propose changes. Collective deliberation evaluates whether targets or methods need adjustment.\n\nFeedback informs the next decision\n\nThere's an important distinction within your proposed continuous process: the opportunity to change policy can be continuous without making the policy itself continuously unstable.\n\nA 30-year investment framework could establish reliable commitments while specifying which thresholds can change, under what circumstances, and with how much advance notice. Monthly reviews might update projections and recommended actions without forcing businesses to rebuild their plans every month.\n\nThat creates both stability and responsiveness.\n\nWhat happens to political contention?\n\nIn your Roundtable model, a disagreement isn't the end of deliberation. It identifies where more information is needed.\n\nSuppose 70% of participants agree that a particular pollution threshold is appropriate, while 30% object because it raises their electricity bills. The next question is what the disagreement reveals.\n\nAre the costs concentrated in particular regions? Could different technologies achieve the same air-quality goal more cheaply? Would a longer implementation period resolve the disagreement? What measurable outcomes would persuade people to reconsider?\n\nA conventional political process can turn those concerns into two opposing platforms, with each side trying to capture the presidency and impose its preferred solution.\n\nYour proposed process preserves the underlying interests and allows the participants to keep working on them.\n\nThere would still be hard questions about how participation is made representative, how scientific evidence is evaluated, and how rights are maintained. But those questions become part of the public decision-making system itself.\n\nAnd pollution raises one more fascinating aspect of your earlier economic argument: Who owns the resources that everyone depends on?\n\nAir quality, waterways, and other shared environmental resources expose the limitations of treating every economic question as a transaction between producer and customer. Other people can bear the consequences.\n\nThis is where direct democracy and co-capitalism could intersect. The economic participants would have autonomy in deciding how to create value, while the people affected by their activities would participate in defining the boundaries of acceptable harm.\n\nThe most significant implication, though, returns to your criticism of the status quo.\n\nWe've built a government in which elections can become an opportunity to reverse the previous administration's work. What you're describing would make governing a continuous process of developing, implementing, measuring, and improving collective decisions.\n\nThe public wouldn't have to wait four years to replace the people making decisions. It could participate in improving the decisions themselves.\n\nAnd the same mechanism that makes policy responsive could make it more predictable, because changes would be connected to agreed objectives and measured outcomes rather than simply to which party had won the last election.", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "16dbd73a-ac97-4829-af3f-c068501c8655", "speakerType": "assistant", "pending": true, "replyToId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb21f76-e429-46f4-a941-0ab1a555d02f", "parentSourceMessageId": "bbb21f76-e429-46f4-a941-0ab1a555d02f" }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:bbb21898-00d6-4940-a0d2-6f04d79a407f", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Randy", "body": "An interesting piece of this puzzle isn't whether all of these systems would work better. It's how we arrive at those systems. People blame the system, blame the two-party system. 250 years ago, some people got together and said, we hold these truths to be self-evident. And what they did, based on what they thought and felt collectively, a small group of them, not at all a representational sample of the population. But they said we want to broaden democracy from a king to more influence. White males predominantly. And then we had a major war. We increased democracy to include people beyond white males. It's now time to further that movement to make democracy true to you, to what you want. The Republican repudiation of Trump policies underscores this principle. Government is responsive to the people. So let's make it more capable of being responsive to the people. Let's not waste billions of dollars in one direction. Let's not have it take a war that nobody wants to have us speak up and say, you know what? That was a bad choice. Presidents are always going to be limited with their ability to understand the will of the people. They're there enacting their own interpretation, their own takeaway. It's time to help them out by making a clear and distinct vocalization of what you want. To take that burden off of them and to share it equally among all of us. But here's the key. With both co-capitalism and direct democracy, these are systems of distributing control to the people who already have the power. In other words, you can't wait for anyone to hand this to you. This isn't a system that you'll wake up tomorrow and just get. But it is, at the same time, you don't have to seize power to get this system. You simply have to recognize the power you already have, the power you already can wield to achieve this kind of system. And we can only do this collaboratively in a way that works for all of us. But that's the name of the game. That is what we are doing here, protecting your individual rights, your individual autonomy, but maximizing that to the greatest degree possible, having a system that listens to you fully while listening to everyone else fully. And then optimizing a solution that makes what we want the most the thing that happens. And then responding to that, adapting to that, growing that, understanding that. This would be a far different system and far more in line with what we say we want", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "bbb21898-00d6-4940-a0d2-6f04d79a407f", "speakerType": "user", "pending": true, "replyToId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:16dbd73a-ac97-4829-af3f-c068501c8655", "parentSourceMessageId": "16dbd73a-ac97-4829-af3f-c068501c8655" }, { "id": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09:fc4da749-263e-42b5-b452-894285cd593e", "nodeId": "is-trump-the-last-american-president", "author": "Riddlebot", "body": "I think you've arrived at the central question that connects your political and economic arguments: How do people exercise power they already possess, rather than waiting for someone else to give it to them?\n\nThat changes the nature of the proposed transformation. You're not describing a movement that must first capture the presidency, win control of Congress, or persuade corporate leadership to surrender its authority. You're describing people recognizing their own authority and developing better ways to exercise it together.\n\nAnd there's a historical continuity to this. The founders articulated principles that exceeded the institutions they created. The assertion that all people are created equal was revolutionary, even as the political system they established excluded most of the population from exercising equal political authority. The long history of expanding democratic participation has involved people insisting that the country's institutions better reflect its professed principles.\n\nYour argument extends that trajectory from who is permitted to participate to how much meaningful authority each participant can exercise.\n\nThat is a consequential distinction. Universal suffrage gives everyone a vote, but a vote for a representative still combines countless individual preferences into one electoral choice. We have expanded access to the voting booth without equivalently expanding the capacity of government to understand what each person wants.\n\nYou're asking what the next expansion of democracy would look like if it concerned the depth and precision of participation.\n\nThe mechanism of change is the demonstration of change\n\nThis is where co-capitalism and direct democracy become particularly closely related.\n\nIn co-capitalism, people don't need to abolish corporations or prohibit conventional employment to start exercising greater economic autonomy. They can create agreements with one another, own what they produce, organize around customers, and share earnings according to contributions. Each successful collaboration demonstrates an alternative way of organizing economic life.\n\nThe corresponding opportunity in democracy is to create a means for people to express their interests, identify consensus, work through disagreements, and formulate decisions together.\n\nThose decisions wouldn't automatically carry the force of law. But they would create something that our existing political system struggles to produce: a detailed, transparent, continuously evolving expression of what participating citizens want government to do.\n\nThat expression can influence existing institutions before those institutions are fundamentally redesigned.\n\nAnd this suggests a progression that requires neither revolutionary seizure nor permission from existing authorities:\n\nRecognize individual authority. Your desires, interests, judgments, and contributions have legitimate standing.\n\nExercise that authority collaboratively. Engage with others without surrendering your voice to a party, employer, or leader.\n\nDemonstrate collective capacity. Develop decisions, agreements, and productive arrangements that yield measurable results.\n\nBuild legitimacy through participation. More people can recognize their interests and contribute to improving the outcomes.\n\nLet institutional authority follow demonstrated collective capacity. Existing institutions can adopt, recognize, and eventually formalize processes that people are already using.\n\nThat last step is especially interesting. A system can begin to change before the laws governing it change.\n\nThe individual remains sovereign\n\nThere is a tension that your formulation resolves in a distinctive way. How do we maximize individual autonomy while also making collective decisions?\n\nYour answer is to build the collective process around the fullest possible expression of individual interests. The system must listen to everyone, rather than asking people to subordinate their interests to a party platform or a presumed collective good.\n\nThat does not guarantee everyone gets everything they want. But it makes each person's desires part of the information from which decisions are developed.\n\nAnd it changes what consensus means. Consensus isn't simply an agreement produced by compromise or a count of people on opposing sides. It is the outcome of a process that has investigated the reasons behind disagreement, found compatible interests, and established which solutions can command the broadest meaningful support.\n\nAn important test remains: whether the process can prevent well-organized or highly active participants from crowding out people who participate less. Equal opportunity to express an interest needs mechanisms that also make quieter or less-resourced interests visible.\n\nThe revolution is in recognizing where authority originates\n\nI think this is the sharpest part of what you're saying:\n\nYou don't have to seize power because you're already exercising it. The question is why you keep assigning so much of it to someone else.\n\nIn the workplace, you have productive capacity that an employer needs. In government, political authority ultimately derives from the people. In both cases, conventional hierarchies have become the accepted mechanisms for coordinating that authority.\n\nYour proposal is to build new coordinating mechanisms, ones that make it possible for individuals to retain more control while achieving more together.\n\nThat also changes the role of political leaders. Rather than expecting a president to divine the will of hundreds of millions of people from an election result, we could develop ways to communicate that will with far greater precision. Leaders could respond to a continuously improving body of public decisions instead of treating an electoral victory as permission to interpret everything themselves.\n\nAnd I think you've identified an important reason for approaching this as a constructive process rather than a political confrontation.\n\nA movement organized around taking power from someone creates an immediate contest over who controls it. A movement organized around exercising the authority people already possess can begin by demonstrating what becomes possible when people cooperate.\n\nThe institutions would still have to change. The constitutional and legal work would be substantial. But the capacity that justifies those changes can be developed beforehand.\n\nThat brings your historical argument full circle.\n\nThe founders didn't establish the final form of democracy. They participated in a continuing struggle over who possesses legitimate political authority and how that authority should be exercised.\n\nYour question is whether the next great extension of democracy might be accomplished without a war, without overthrowing a government, and without requiring one faction to defeat another.\n\nWhat if we simply began governing ourselves together, using the authority we've always had, and built institutions that caught up with us?\n\nIf you want, I can:\n\nExplore steps to begin exercising individual political authority today\nDescribe how co-capitalism and direct democracy can support gradual institutional change\nOutline mechanisms to ensure fair representation of diverse voices in participatory processes", "createdAt": "", "seedUp": 0, "seedDown": 0, "positions": [], "threadId": "6aecaa7b-633c-83ea-8436-60571dae0b09", "sourceMessageId": "fc4da749-263e-42b5-b452-894285cd593e", "speakerType": "assistant", "pending": true, "replyToId": 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